Together with American Songwriter, we had the pleasure of interviewing The Deep West over Zoom video! Los Angeles’ soulful, pop/indie duo The Deep West released their debut EP California Flowers on February 5th, 2021. Composed of brothers Adam and Joey Chavez, The Deep West capture moments that speak to the times we live in. Their lyrics, melodies and the visual representations of their art convey messages of love, self-discovery and acceptance with vocals that ascend to grand and soothing choruses that remind us what it is to be human. Their first two releases, “Giving Up” and “Dominoes” are genuine works of artistic expression that explore the human condition. The EP leads with the powerful single, “Giving Up.” “Music almost broke us,” Adam and Joey said. “[Giving Up] is about the moment we chose to keep it together and keep going, even though nobody really cared if we did or didn’t.” Adam and Joey didn’t lose sight of the music that moved them. As they continued to chase their dream and press on in the face of adversity, they birthed a track filled with messages of hope, self-discovery and happiness found. The second track and forthcoming single & video “Otherside” is a song about that nagging voice inside us all that is never satisfied. “Some people would say this is the voice of achievement and discovery, and maybe it is that, but at the end of the day you’ll be left wanting more…” The song is undoubtedly upbeat with a wandering storyline, “This is how we see the ‘protagonist’ of the song,” say Adam and Joey, “... blown by the wind--never settled.” The third track “Biggest Mistake” is about the dark feelings and thoughts toward someone you once loved at the end of a relationship. “The more you love someone the more fuel there is to hate them after it’s gone to pieces. This song is about making a lemonade out of regrets [and] taking ownership of your own mistakes…” On the fourth track the EP takes a turn towards love and joy. “Prayer” is the proposal of Joey Chavez to the love of his life before they lived happily ever after. Rounding out the EP is “Wildfire” - a song about sex when you’re deeply in love, as opposed to bored or promiscuous sex. “[It’s about] the synchronization that hovers many levels above the act itself. Finding one entire person fully intoxicating and captivating all of the hours in between each intimate encounter.” The EP concludes with “Dominoes,” the Bill Withers inspired track of hope, love and understanding. "We wanted to write a song that spoke truth to power--hopefully without camp or pretense… to create a song that starts to tear down expectations between people, in hopes that it creates a chain reaction that contributes to the betterment of the world." We want to hear from you! Please email Tera@BringinitBackwards.com. www.BringinitBackwards.com #podcast #interview #bringinbackpod #foryou #foryoupage #stayhome #togetherathome #zoom #aspn #americansongwriter #americansongwriterpodcastnetwork Listen & Subscribe to BiB Follow our podcast on Instagram and Twitter!
Together with American Songwriter, we had the pleasure of interviewing The Deep West over Zoom video!
Los Angeles’ soulful, pop/indie duo The Deep West released their debut EP California Flowers on February 5th, 2021. Composed of brothers Adam and Joey Chavez, The Deep West capture moments that speak to the times we live in. Their lyrics, melodies and the visual representations of their art convey messages of love, self-discovery and acceptance with vocals that ascend to grand and soothing choruses that remind us what it is to be human. Their first two releases, “Giving Up” and “Dominoes” are genuine works of artistic expression that explore the human condition.
The EP leads with the powerful single, “Giving Up.” “Music almost broke us,” Adam and Joey said. “[Giving Up] is about the moment we chose to keep it together and keep going, even though nobody really cared if we did or didn’t.” Adam and Joey didn’t lose sight of the music that moved them. As they continued to chase their dream and press on in the face of adversity, they birthed a track filled with messages of hope, self-discovery and happiness found.
The second track and forthcoming single & video “Otherside” is a song about that nagging voice inside us all that is never satisfied. “Some people would say this is the voice of achievement and discovery, and maybe it is that, but at the end of the day you’ll be left wanting more…” The song is undoubtedly upbeat with a wandering storyline, “This is how we see the ‘protagonist’ of the song,” say Adam and Joey, “... blown by the wind--never settled.”
The third track “Biggest Mistake” is about the dark feelings and thoughts toward someone you once loved at the end of a relationship. “The more you love someone the more fuel there is to hate them after it’s gone to pieces. This song is about making a lemonade out of regrets [and] taking ownership of your own mistakes…”
On the fourth track the EP takes a turn towards love and joy. “Prayer” is the proposal of Joey Chavez to the love of his life before they lived happily ever after.
Rounding out the EP is “Wildfire” - a song about sex when you’re deeply in love, as opposed to bored or promiscuous sex. “[It’s about] the synchronization that hovers many levels above the act itself. Finding one entire person fully intoxicating and captivating all of the hours in between each intimate encounter.”
The EP concludes with “Dominoes,” the Bill Withers inspired track of hope, love and understanding. "We wanted to write a song that spoke truth to power--hopefully without camp or pretense… to create a song that starts to tear down expectations between people, in hopes that it creates a chain reaction that contributes to the betterment of the world."
We want to hear from you! Please email Tera@BringinitBackwards.com.
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They got a chance to, to go see him play out. And I actually had a chance to even record his band later it later down the line in life, but a, they both played in bands together. Adam always a drummer as her Joey picked up guitar first, they played it in a bunch of bands together over the years, eventually settling on the two of them and forming the Deep West their debut EIP California Flowers is out and making sure to check that out and check out the video of Adam Joey and myself on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it Backwards and follow us on Instagram and Twitter at bringing back pod. We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're bringing it Backwards with the deep West.
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Thank you both so much for doing this to really appreciate. Oh yeah, of course. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Of course, our podcast is on your journey and music and how you guys got to where you are now and yeah, And for me and the Deep West and the new EPS. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah, no, we are really, really excited about is our journey has been one of many twists and turns both brothers whose older. What is that? Who? His older brother. Oh, for me, I'm the oldest brother, the older. All right on. So how did you get you both were born and raised in Southern California. What part? Well, we grew up in like the inland empire, like Rancho Cucamonga, but I don't know for sure that we're in San Diego, so I know, I know the area.
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Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. Thank you. So you can drop in Rancho Cucamonga. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it just to piggyback on the, the twist and turns element, like we were in, we grew up in Rancho Cucamonga and when we moved to orange County, when we lived there for like 10 years and we were in a band there and then moved to LA, we've been here for over 10 years now, so, okay. Right on all over again. So how did you guys get to know Music Joey or you must've gotten the Music first? How much was it Difference? It was just like, like a little less than two years. So we're pretty close, pretty close, but we, we got an, a Music, I mean, early on, like our dad was in bands and like, Oh really?
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Yeah. Blue's and classic rock kind of stuff. And we cover bands or like, like little bit Like touring Bands. Yeah. I like their own stuff. You know, it was kinda like, I guess there are more of a bar band really. Cause it was that kind of thing where it was like, you know, you know, they played a lot of bars and stuff. They would play cover's and they just learned how to do that whole thing, you know, just like here here's this song that somebody knows and they would jam on it and you know, just learn how to just kinda tear the house down kind of a thing, you know, what do you Get? Did you guys go to the shows and stuff? So I know we, we went to one show. Well, yeah, we would, we would go to shows like when we were kids and like, like, even like to this day, like they'll still like get together and hang out and stuff like that.
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Like they've actually come to my studio in like down a few songs and stuff like that. World they'll do, will do like a long weekend type thing and everybody just kinda of like hangs out and I'm a rad yeah. Yeah. I got a record. You actually get to record your dad's band. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's all right. That's fine. So this is a producer in that roll and all that. That was amazing. Well, I see that. So obviously your, your dad was in a band. What do you, what was the first instrument you guys learned? For me? It was a guitar for him. It was drums. Yeah. We like naturally just kind of started playing together and I dunno, I think we were just always, always into music because of that. We were always like, by proxy, I'm always love in music, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. And also like, I'd definitely want to say like a lack, our family never pushed or anything on us to think it was kinda, Nice just letting it be kind of this organic thing that there was, I think actually I think, yeah, I think the more, I'm not going to be a musician. Exactly. So all side was kinda of like, Oh yeah, this is something like your dad does and you're not, you know, you're going to do, you know, whatever is legit, anything else? And, and then dad, he didn't really push it either. I think probably because when we started and we were so just not good at anything. And I think there were more interested in having fun as a band.
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And so it was kinda like, you know, they didn't want to have to babysit. There are more about like, how am I playing music and getting drunk and not worrying about a bunch of kids hanging out. So Yeah. So I don't know how supportive that anybody necessarily was, but there are in your dad was kinda of like, you know, as we got better, I think he was more like a lot of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I am definitely have like memories of us being like, so how does this thing work are like, how does the amp do that thing? And like, you know, just kind of like diving into, you know, just conversations with each band member. I always just remember watching, watching their band and being like the drummer, it looks like he's having the most fun.
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So that's yeah. So I'm going to do, yeah, that's awesome. So I did, as he was on Koch, I think So too. Okay. You guys are obviously started writing songs together and pretty, and having a drummer in the house, Jody, that must of been beneficial. Those are always the hardest person to find. Yeah, exactly. No, that was great. Yeah. And it was kind of that, like, we've talked about this in like other settings where it's like, I would kind of, I started off kind of writing songs early on bringing ideas to the table and Adam wood.
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Like now he's like the producer of mostly right. And like, and the engineering, he has a studio and everything, and I can produce as far as I know what sounds good and I'm getting better on the technical side, but I think it's that relationship where I would come up with ideas and then he would figure out how to do the idea is to execute it. Yeah. And he would fill in whatever you needed to do. And that's kind of wherever they came out in Adam is a great song writer now and everything I'm, but you know, it, it's just kinda of like, we started on like the complete polar opposites of music and like, like I was like a finisher and Joey who was like a starter. And then like now we've kind of just met in the middle and we have so much overlap, you know?
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And like we kind of, now we really appreciate each other's a, a knowledge and technique. Now Finally, did you guys play in bands and stuff growing up? Like Together yeah, I know Adam, Adam actually, it was in a band or two in high school. I never really did much of stuff for other people until we, we formed a band AF like a little bit after that. And then after that, it was really like only we'd bring in like one or two more people. And then that was always the one band we had. It. It was more than that. The two of you, and then you kind of have other people circulate into the band.
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Well, so what is it, what it was is like, I was in a couple of bands in high school with a really interesting names, like nothing under the Christmas tree and like, that's A cool thing. And I'm like, you know, like just like a, you know, kind of like pop punk and like that kind of stuff. And then, and then when we started getting into, we got into college and like, we were like, Oh wow, there is other music genres other than just like, what are your dad does? And like pop-punk. And so, so like, yeah, so we were able to kind of like, you know, get into a little bit more of a nuance and like it, you know, Radiohead in like all sorts of different, you know, genres and stuff like that.
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And at that point, when we were able to like, like, we had a, a friend of ours that we have played music with since you were like in high school, and then we met, we have had a friend in college and she ended up playing with us. And then we had a boy that was, are banned a long time and then eventually added it, added a bass player to that. But like, that was like, that was like the band for years. We had those, the scene, the LA scene, God, like a publishing deal with Sony ATV with that. And then it How and It, and then now we are doing this. Yeah. So that, so that was a bit, I mean, are you guys are doing this stuff? I mean, that's on you that you had a career doing it and everything, like, tell me about like, where are you touring and putting out records out and all of that.
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Yeah. Like it, it was, it was, you know, we would have to deal putting out our own records and, and touring. Yeah. We did a lot of the West coast type of stuff. And then we did like CMJ and like, like some festivals over in New York and stuff. And then like, yeah. So we would like, we would like to make like trips out to New York and then we would do a lot more West West coast stuff. And when yeah. And we were just mainly self releasing things and, and like wrapping CDs in like a banana leaves to be creative and stuff like that. And, you know, it's funny. It was fun.
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It was, it was hard, but we were totally that band, you know, playing bars, playing clubs, you know, getting free drinks and impressing girls and that whole thing. Sure. Right. Yeah. That's awesome. And when, so that bandwidth did eventually just fizzled out or it's just, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think what happens a lot of times is like, you know, I mean, there's a few ways to go with this, but essentially like people want it to be able to do like, essentially take the knowledge that they had and then like kind of spread out and maybe be more in control because when you're in a group of five people, it's like kind of like hard to get everyone on the same track.
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So, and in this group, it's literally just the two of us. We, we wrote all of the songs, we played all the instruments, we recorded it mixed and mastered at ourselves. So there you go. That's awesome. All of the music videos that are directed and produced by us, like we're on a one man show are a two man show. So you want to show. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wow. And Adam means you have your own studio. It looks, I mean, it looks like you're in a studio. That's, that's where I'm at. I'm at my I'm in my control room. Yeah. That's awesome. So did you, did you go to school for engineering or like it, how did the studio kind of, So can I know what the deal was was I'm like, I guess, like we didn't neither me or Joey like did music in college, but like I ended up doing like broadcast media and my emphasis was audio production because like, like I remember like sitting in my dorm room and being like, okay, so let's, let's figure this out at them.
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Like, you got to do something, you got to, like, you got to pick a lane. And I was like, well, it just like, I like playing music, so that's cool. And I like connecting speakers into each other and making weird sounds and that kind of thing. So it was like, all right, cool. Just as dive heavier into like the audio engineering and see if that helps, maybe that'll, that'll be a good middle ground in Music and whatever, I don't know for sure you have conversations about this 'cause we went to a really small, a college and Costa Mesa that nobody has ever heard of. It was called Vanguard university. And, and in that, like, it was kinda that kinda school where you can just go and coast or not have to learn or anything.
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Really. Yeah. So Adam was great at that. You know, he, he, he, I think he was in the band and he liked to doing what he had to do. And he did a, he ended up learning a lot cause they give you the tools, but you have to be a self-starter or else you can just go through a whole program and not learning anything. And so I think that's kind of like that that's been our whole things that, you know, we went to school, the kind of, I definitely go for what I'm doing at all. So, but essentially just you having a passion that it, it drives you to learn how to do what you want to do, you know, for sure. So, wow. Yeah. And then w Adam has this band in the first you've produced for the two of you or was, did the other band that you guys had or were you recording and doing all this stuff?
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Yeah, it was pretty much like I had a studio and everybody would come to our house, like when me and Joey would live together. Like actually there was a time where our whole band lived together too for years. And so like, we just literally had like a couple of rooms, like my bedroom was half control room and then in another room that was a tracking room and like all treated and stuff like that. And then like, yeah, we just, yeah, it was as it was a very short side story Adam recorded and family of the year in the bedroom that we all shared and wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome. That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. A lot of what, a lot of random stuff, but yeah.
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So, yeah, so I was kinda like, I had invested in gear and all that stuff. And so it's like, all right, let's keep it in one place and just kinda of like work, you know, and yeah. So there is that. And then like, even while we were in our band and stuff like that, I would get hit up to like produce other projects and like work on different things and stuff like that to, and so it's kind of just like how it has been the thing, you know? Yeah. And when did you guys to start decided to start the day to day West? I think it was like four years ago, but it was like, like two, I think he was maybe like, I mean, we took a little break off, but it's like, once you have like a band break up, you're kind of just like, let me just detox for a little bit, for sure.
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I was practically comatose at, at that point, but they, yeah. So what we did is we decided that we always knew we are going to keep going and we just didn't know how to do that. It actually, you know, the band we need and this is the Right that much together. So a lot of it was learning how to do that together. We finally kind of settled upon like a style and like a workflow and, and then the songs actually started coming out and we weren't even sure if that was going to happen. So we were pleasantly surprised actually. Okay. Wow. Wow. And because you guys have released a couple of songs so far, right. And those are both are going to be on that. And the AP yeah. Sorry. Oh, sorry. I was going to say we have two songs on Spotify right now.
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I should say all of the path out right now. So for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Is it the gold standard? Exactly. Instagram Right, exactly. You know, you have to bow down to the, to the behemoths. All right. So we have two songs that are right now, there may be a part of a, a, an EAP of a six songs. Right. And that's coming next. February yeah. I'm coming out on Friday and call the other side, which we're really excited about. And yeah. That's awesome. So is this, but this project has been in a few years in the making. Yeah. Yeah. It was mostly the us screaming at each other and a studio and just slamming our heads against the wall and, and now we're finally out stuff out and we were like, we're really excited about it.
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So, yeah. That's awesome. Have you had a chance to play out together as a two piece? No, we, we, we released All of her music during COVID so yeah. Oh, good time to release it to be, you don't know if you don't feel like playing a show though, right? Yeah. Right. So tell me about that. So you guys were working on a deep West record before, like prior to COVID happening or how did that kind of affect you directly? So what happened? Like, I mean, cause when you, when you go into a project, especially like I'm where you want to have, like actually, we, we didn't even really want an album at the beginning. We just wanted to make one song work, I think.
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And so, Yeah. So when we started, we were just like, all right, lets just get like a bundle of songs under our belt and like see which ones feel good or whatever. And then like, you know, things just started falling into place. We had done a music video for one of them, like actually like a year and a half ago we did a, a, a listening party with just close friend's just to like see which, which songs were, you know, felt like single's and all that kinda stuff. But then like we, we kind of like 'cause, it's like, I guess we were trying to figure out our workflow and figure out like our creative direction on things we've wanted to take care of like all the various elements with music videos and like who is going to shoot it?
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How are we going to shoot? It was the storyline, duh, it takes a little while to kind of get all of that stuff put together and like create a team around that. And so, you know, it just like Finding the team was, that was like kinda the, the whole thing at the end of the day, everything starts just falling into the place where we're like, okay, cool. I guess we were meant to release music now. So that's kind of the deal. That's where we're at. And what was, when did you release the first song? Like was it after everything shut down or Oh yeah, it was October. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. Quite a bit of time in between there. Like, like when COVID hit and everybody is stuck inside, you guys are obviously our brothers, was it easy to right together and you know, create which will become This GP.
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Oh yeah. Aaron every pod. So yeah. Well, yeah, we're in a little pot of like, you know, like are, are people so we were able to hang out, so that's nice. But then yeah, we just, I mean, all of the songs have been written and produced. I think I remastered a couple tweaks or whatever here and there in the past year. But like other than that, like we were ready and all of that to like go, we just kinda needed some like elements that make sense or feel it right in order to, to put everything out. So yeah. And what have you, I like performing the songs. I know, obviously you can't play at a club, but do you do the live stream things like, is that a, is that a thing or, Oh yeah.
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You just reminded us. We were still, yeah. Whoops. I'd been thinking about it. I'd been thinking I was actually, I was waiting for you to bring it up where it was the call. How did you actually ever going to do yet? And we were supposed to, we were supposed to be doing that. And so where are you? Haven't quite done it yet. Yeah. That's funny. Well, I saw that like Kat Corbin has been playing, playing on your record on locals only, which is a yeah. Oh, awesome. Yeah. Cool. I love that Corbett man. I think, yeah. She'd be part of our previous band or a lot of, and it really comes to bat for us on this song.
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What did she, did she do one or two? I forget it. I think she was the only played Giving Up I think so far really steps you did that or the other person has been a really great campaign for us. I don't have to know Kevin Bronson or a Bose bands are like that. I'm not, I'm not sure. He's really cool. Great for us like Brandon Yeah or stuff on his radio show up to 88, 88, five or 85 points. But I forget now what it's called, like the independent I think. And yeah, he's got, he has a blog. I mean, yeah. He's been covering like the LA music scene for years and years and I'm like, yeah, it was just a really, it was kind of he's known in LA or at least.
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And he was just like, he's a really good dudes. Yeah, That's right. I mean, I've worked in radio for 15 years, so that's how I know Kat, but Oh nice. Yeah. I am not sure about that. The other people I know, I know Some LA is just, I I never worked in the LA market in San Francisco and San Diego. Oh, okay. Yeah. That makes Sense. You have to write over a light. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. We had to go from market 17 and then I got lucky and got and four and the LA is too. So it was going to, it's hard to show them your way into there. Yeah. All right. Where it was really cool. Yeah. I looked at it. Yeah. It's awesome that she's been playing on the record for you. You guys are playing that one song or at least Giving Up. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool.
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So the, with the record coming out, like, and everything is closed down Still how do you feel about, you know, putting it out? It's coming out next month. Yeah. February yeah. I mean, we're, we're pretty excited. I keep talking to joy about sneaking one more track onto there, but he's not settled on it. So yeah. Time will tell. Huh. Or you can kind of do whatever you want now. Here's the thing that I'm looking at, like this big song you pee and then you have to have more songs after that, so, Oh. And after that, right. You have something lined up. It will be if we just pull it out later.
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Yeah. Nice well, now that the record is done and have you had, is more music in the, in the works, like if you could get in writing a lot or a kind of uninspired by current? Well, here at the mine, here's one. Cause here's the thing I noticed with this ban. It, it, it has been for the most part, a lot more personal the Songwriter yeah. So we already have a song ready to go. We just haven't we have an arrangement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have our grandma died a, a, a little over a year ago now. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It was a very, very special lady.
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A very awesome. And so that song for her were definitely going to release that and yeah, I like that song and we want to make it a really special and some of that one is going to be coming out, obviously. That's it. That's awesome. And that's yeah. That's amazing. And with like videos and stuff, or are you guys are going to do music videos from the songs? I know, I think you have a couple out. Correct. There was a, so we have two music videos out 'cause we've been doing, we have essentially wanted to do three singles for the The before the album, but they're all on the album too. And so yeah, Giving, Up came out, there's a dancing robot in that one.
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And then we also have another, a music video for Dominoes, which is about a poor family that kind of exemplifies like our origin story with like our mom being a single mom and then having two sons. And so that is kind of really close to the heart there. And then this last one that is coming out for other side is pretty much, you know, it's just pretty much like the day in the life of guy stuck in his own mind, you know, trying, trying to like, you know, a remedy, you know, and not having a, maybe you have a relationship. And then also just like being born.
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And I mean, if you really want to get deep, it actually has to do with everything that everybody has been dealing with with COVID from, from, you know, religious pressure to, you know, entertainment and social media and even the postal service. So, and even the postal service, A video where you were getting the makeup on and your Instagram That's the way it's weird. Its everything that he said, but like kinda on the LSD, because it's like a, it's a, yeah, it's kind of like a dream and it's like a fever dream kind of a thing. It's weird. Okay. Well see if it makes sense, but it was fun to do And that'll be coming out soon.
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Yeah. Friday that Friday on Friday. It comes out. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't like to see it. That's awesome. And I just saw the video on, on your Instagram with those, with all the make up the Q-tips Exactly right. It's actually follow what is it? We have the makeup person somewhere linked on there, but it should, we got, this is really the jet. Like she works on M what is, you can say that she works on the Mandalorian. I already said it while. There you go. It legit make-up so I know what I think she found a way, if you can follow her somehow and Instagram or something and Jessica she's really great.
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Awesome. So it's crazy. It looks that way anyway. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. That's really cool. So yeah, Friday we expect that video and then obviously the new record coming out next month. What are you going to aside from having it out? What are you most excited about, Man? I'm excited. I'm excited to start to write more. I mean, I'm excited to get the whole album out so everybody can hear it, but I just, I feel like we, we reached finally toward the end of finishing these songs, I feel like we reached a really good workflow and a really good head space with each other. Like we kinda let the old band stuff go back to like fall behind and we let all of our brother little brother, big brothers stuff kind of finally we figured a lot of that stuff out and I'm just really excited to figure out what the next songs or what the, the progression of, you know, what our sound is gonna be in everything in songs, because I think there are going to be great.
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And I mean, these songs that we did, I feel like there are partial miracles cause we are, we honestly, there were so many times when we didn't think we were going to do, we're going to be able to even put one on one song together. So I just decided in general to me right now. And so that's yeah. Oh yeah. I love that. She had the two songs I have heard so far, so I can't wait to hear the rest of the record. Thanks yeah, we can. We are going to be where we were with Mike from incubus. What's his name? Or Mike zinger. He's a Yeah we're on a Nam show panel this week on Thursday too, so, wow. Yeah, that's cool.
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All right. I'm wearing the same shirt and I have a role and it's going to be great. We are also what's the, what was the girl's names? I forget. Oh, Megan DIA. Yeah. It's you, are you familiar with them? No. And I'm not an artist and the other artist. I'm sorry. Cool Cool. Cool. Yeah, it was awesome. And what was the panel at the Nam panel for it just, you know, It's like how to like how to essentially hustle, like how do, how to like do Music during COVID it was kind of, yeah, That's interesting. Yeah. I mean that's what probably everybody trying to figure out right now.
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Yeah. And that's the cool thing is you got the perspective of Mike and incubus and you know, they have, they're like a little throw it away. Sure. They have a major success and how, you know, We are going to deal with, got it from there. And then, and then they have all the way down. So all the perspectives. That's awesome. That's such a cool concept. And that's, that's also coming out. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. When you say that panel's going to be on a Thursday, I just never met Mike trying to make your list. Now I have not yet. That guy has cool. Really? I've never, I had never met him before, but man, I hope I only heard good stuff, friends and such, but man, that guy is so nice and just down to earth and so cool.
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And they are that's awesome. I've I've S I've met him as in, as in like, Hey yeah, he did a show. The incubus played a show that this is one of the stations I was on it. So I got to say hello to him, but it wasn't anything other than that, it was like they were doing a, like a meet and greet signing thing. Yeah. So, so when, you know, after it was like, I got to be one of the first people that got to go through the Rho and say how to Brandon boy and all of them, they autograph like an eight by 10. And it was, that was the extent of it. And like, we would have normally, you know, got to talk to that guy, but I just was like, you know what he's doing right now? He's one of those guys to, this is the thing about him. He makes you feel lazy about yourself because he's already an incubus.
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You know what I mean? And then, and now he's like, yeah, I love doing music, but I don't want to be like defined by that. You know, I think he said that in there. And he's like, so now he's literally, he got his own biotech company. And then there are branching off into like a, like a skin care line. Cause you didn't know it was going to do that. But as it turns out the research that they did that on, so now they're going to start at a skincare line. Also. He also, he also played with like a Vichi like guitar and like, he he's like a big studio musician as well, so Oh, that's dope. Yeah. Yeah. He's been around it. Does it make you feel lazy?
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Definitely. It's interesting how they do, like artists will do that and you're like, wait, you were on what products? They act like Josh
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Yeah, we have one more question for the both of you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. I mean, you got one eye on them. I got one. Yeah. You have to go first and then I'll go second mines better. Well, okay here. Here's the thing that I just happened to be thinking about this one here in your day. Cause a Music and if anything, I think in the arts or anything that you care about that isn't like a for sure thing is awful. Sometimes it's so God awful. And so I think about the book, the letters to a young poet where he essentially says something to this young little German high school boy who wants to be a poet, if only be a poet, if that's what you have to do, like if you wake up in the morning and you go, there is, I can't possibly doing anything else.
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That's the person that should be doing music for real. Like, if you want to do your, we want to do that with your life, be ready to pay it yourself. Hey, other people, you know, just, I have just so much self-loathing and to so many hard times, but then at the same time, there are some like, really amazing things that come out of it at the same time. So I would just say that to young artists, like, just be sure you want to do it cause you're in for a ride for sure. And mine would be kind of along the lines of like, you have a lot of those like 10,000 hours to be an expert master or whatever. So it's like practically speaking as obviously like Joey comes from like the concept.
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And then I come from the technical obviously. So it would be like, you know, if you really are serious and you really want to know, you don't have to be the best, most insane or whatever in the world, but you just want to make a career to be consistent at something it's like make life decisions that I actually do that for you. There was a lot of people that are just, I don't know. I know they don't want to say they just talk, you know, instead of actually like doing things, but like that kind of is what it comes down to. Like most of the people that I know that are in music or whatever, they are not out telling everybody about how they are doing music. They are in a studio making music and also like doing the, doing the thing where you network two or whatever, but like making the connections you need in order to like prime yourself, put yourself in a position to where you are going to be able to like have an outlet for it.
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Instead of just like, you know, I make music in my mom's basement and like no one will ever hear it type thing. So yeah, that's a pretty good well-rounded answer. Isn't it, There, it is a very well rounded answer. So I was going to say, and it's, it makes me think there were like, like the people that are just assume a certain people just become famous. Its like, no, no that's true. I don't understand why I can't just walk on stage and sing to a million people. It's like, yeah you can because you probably haven't put nearly as much time and it is X, Y or Z. Yeah. I mean you can, if you go on like American idol and then you end up in like the blooper reel or whatever, you know, But even those people that I didn't just walk out and be like, you know what, I think I'm going to try out for American idol.
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Like obviously sure. They've put in a lot of time at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.